Showing posts with label hell. Show all posts
Showing posts with label hell. Show all posts

Tuesday, June 30, 2009

"Father Forgive Them"......NOT!




SO.........There I go thinking again about this one little verse of scripture where Jesus asks the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do. Hmmmmm? Who are them in scripture? Well, those who hammered the nails, kicked, spat, mocked,scorned, cursed and denied Him in any way possible and stripped Him naked, for the most part every unbeliever...and everyone else who would ever be in this world. Now I am pretty simple minded and a bit of a skeptic,but I cannot overlook the fact that, in traditional X-ian point of view the Father would have had to deny and diregard Jesus' request in order to provide an everlating punishment for those who had an inability to choose Him through their clouded perceptions, that Christ clearly understood and asked for forgiveness for on their behalf.
So is the the traditional view, a message of God ignoring Christ's prayer request as He is dying to forgive them? Sorry request Denied???? Really? Is the God we grovel before all our lives hoping that he will accept our sorry, insignificant plight by begging Him to accept our acceptance of His beloved sons work, and only if we have some measurable form of fruit within our existence?
Was Jesus ignorant of God's plan for those who would never have a relationship with Him in their lifetime and that the Father would select the very "them" that Jesus pleaded for? How does the traditional christian reconcile this verse and explain away Jesus plea for the "unsaved"? Do they assume that God forgives them and sends them to eternal torment? How do they make it fit........? Was it just kind words to utter by Jesus and His saving power He therefore limited for a select group??

I do not want to build an entire theology on this verse, and thank God I do not have to. There are so many others that support what Jesus wanted and willed to do for all mankind. I guess it makes it so much easier to not have to try and fix people anymore for God and just be His child. Loving, Learning, and Living a life in His plan and not man's.

Sunday, May 31, 2009

The Real Breaking Bad

"God can't reach perfect people with perfect theology. We need cracks in it so the light of God can shine through" AMR

I walked a life with christians,
They chatted all the way-
But left me none the wiser-
for all they had to say-
I walked this life with Jesus,
and hardly a word said He-
But oh the things I learned -
When my Saviour walked with me...


Here are some thought provoking clips on the traditional views on hell. Amazing to see how it has been viewed over the centuries. I used to ignore it since it was not a place that I would ever visit as a believer etc... But I never realized how it skewed my idea of who God really is... There are a total of four.







Saturday, May 16, 2009

Do you love Jesus, because the other option is hell?



Five years ago,(or less) this type of talk would have pissed me off. Why? Somehow I was able to put a label on it/people and dismiss any other thought process but the one that was engrained into my institutional churched mind. I knew what I knew and had bible verses, pastors,and group think to justify it. Like God needed me to defend Him in some contorted way... I made God in the image I thought He desired to be portrayed.... Judgemental, Fundamental, Conservative, Western, American,Christian, Republican, Structured, Limited to the bible,Limited to how christians describe Him. Then, one day the things that did not fit became real to me, because my relationship started to grow with the Living Saviour and Creator/Lover of my heart.